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Richard Crim's avatar

Great article however I have a question.

You are calculating 2XCO2 as resulting in +4.5°C to +5.5°C of warming. Which seems bad enough.

Are you aware of the recent paleoclimate analysis that indicates warming is approximately +8°C for each doubling of CO2?

CR94 - It’s looking like each "CO2 Doubling” causes +8°C of warming. The 1st doubling was +180ppm to +360ppm. That takes us to +2°C. The NEXT doubling to +720ppm takes us to +10°C. Hansen puts us at +520ppm(e) right now.

A 485-million-year history of Earth’s surface temperature - Science, 20 Sep 2024, Vol 385, Issue 6715, DOI: 10.1126/science.adk3705

Judd et al. present a record of GMST over the past 485 million years that they constructed by combining proxy data with climate modeling (see the Perspective by Mills). They found that GMST varied over a range from 11° to 36°C, with an “apparent” climate sensitivity of ∼8°C, about two to three times what it is today.

The GMST-CO2 relationship indicates a notably constant “apparent” Earth system sensitivity (i.e., the temperature response to a doubling of CO2, including fast and slow feedbacks) of ∼8°C, with no detectable dependence on whether the climate is warm or cold.

I postulate that since 180ppm CO2 seems to be "rock bottom" for CO2 levels over the last 485my it should be used as our "starting baseline" rather than the arbitrary 280ppm present in 1850.

This results in the following:

The “first” 2XCO2 is 180ppm to 360ppm. That would be +8°C from the first 2XCO2.

As I have discussed, in the paper “Climate effects of aerosols reduce economic inequality. Nature Climate Change, 2020; DOI: 10.1038/s41558–020–0699-y” the authors find that:

Estimates indicate that aerosol pollution emitted by humans is offsetting about 0.7 degrees Celsius, or about 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit, of the warming due to greenhouse gas emissions,” said lead author Zheng. “This translates to a 40-year delay in the effects of climate change.”

“Without cooling caused by aerosol emissions, we would have achieved 2010-level global mean temperatures in 1970.”

Which, if this is at all correct. Could have meant that +0.7°C of warming was being “masked” by aerosol sulfate particulates in the 70's. The result of burning high sulfur fossil fuels.

In which case the actual temperature in the 70’s would have been about +1.3°C at 330ppm and +2°C over our 1850 baseline at 360ppm doesn't seem implausible at all. Particularly given the fights we have had in calibrating our “zero” point on the CO2ppm to +°C scale.

This narrative simplifies our understanding of the Climate System and brings an overall order to all the lines of evidence.

In this understanding of the Climate System we “pushed” the system out of the “First 2XCO2 State” by pushing CO2 levels up above 360ppm. At that point we had raised the Global Mean Temperature about +2°C over the 1850 baseline.

At that temperature in the paleoclimate record there is NO permafrost. Something we didn’t know in the 1970’s. So, in effect we began the “Second 2XCO2 State” by melting the permafrost for the first time in 750,000 years.

The Second 2XCO2 doubling is from 360ppm to 720ppm and will increase temperatures +8°C to about +10°C over our 1850 baseline. That indicates warming of about +5°C to +6°C over our 1850 baseline at 540ppm.

Which is consistent with your findings of +4.5°C to +5.5°C for 2XCO2 over the 1850 280ppm CO2 level.

This narrative also neatly explains the PETM fossil evidence by making enough warming possible to account for alligators and palm trees living around the Arctic Ocean at CO2 levels of only around 2800ppm. Which is in accord with the paleoclimate estimate for CO2 levels at that time.

Thoughts?

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Geoffrey Deihl's avatar

I am happy to have you here on Substack, welcome! Four years ago I decided to write about climate change feeling a need to understand it better and a responsibility to share what I learned. I am no scientist, but a good communicator and able to wade through the reports experts such as you create. I am a believer in degrowth, but realize that concept should have been promoted 50 years ago. Like you, I firmly believe 1.5° was dead a while ago, and am certain major tipping points have been exceeded such as the Arctic.

I wrote about Arctic permafrost here:

https://geoffreydeihl.substack.com/p/permafrost-maybe-not

Given that the Amazon is likely lost, too I investigated SAI/SRM about a year ago to form an opinion of its use analyzing its potential cooling effects, and the myriad questions it raises. It felt like an inevitable Hail Mary to me until the latest administration of science deniers was installed. Now, who knows? Here is a link to the article if you have time. What is your opinion of this radical action? Potentially effective? Or a low odds gamble?

https://geoffreydeihl.substack.com/p/stratospheric-aerosol-injection-earths

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